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How much line to your planer?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: How much line to your planer? Reply with quote

I know there is a calculation out there to determine how much line to put out for a planer (factor of planer size, speed, and amount of line), but I can't find it.

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Everything I find now gives an opinion on how much leader to use, but not how much line. I'm using a standard #1 planer with #0 Clarkspoon, and about 15' of leader. Any idea how far I should be putting it out to put it at about 6ft depth?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume you are running your planer from a rod. If you work your numbers it should be about 2ft line out for each ft deep. When using downriggers - if you drop 10ft wire out your depht is around 5ft. So, 2to1.
From what you have said, I assume you fish for Spanish. When Spanish fishing I use trolling sinkers, and vary the weight. 3-4 ounce 2-4ft below surface. If I want deeper I use a 6ounce trolling sinker. I use the same trolling speed for Spanish as I do for Kings - 6knots. When I do use a planer on a rod - I count to determine depht. It's hit or miss, but for 10ft maybe 4-5sec.
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RabbitsWithGuns wrote:
I assume you are running your planer from a rod. If you work your numbers it should be about 2ft line out for each ft deep. When using downriggers - if you drop 10ft wire out your depht is around 5ft. So, 2to1.
From what you have said, I assume you fish for Spanish. When Spanish fishing I use trolling sinkers, and vary the weight. 3-4 ounce 2-4ft below surface. If I want deeper I use a 6ounce trolling sinker. I use the same trolling speed for Spanish as I do for Kings - 6knots. When I do use a planer on a rod - I count to determine depht. It's hit or miss, but for 10ft maybe 4-5sec.


Correct, fishing from a trolling rod for Spanish.

I do use a meat rig (trolling weight with 10ft leader to spoon) right behind the boat where the spoon is in my prop wash, but was wondering about my planer rig.

So going by what you've described, I'd only need 12ft to get to 6ft down. I should be running less line than my leader length? That's surprising. I was running about 40ft not counting the leader. I think there is a max depth, or at least diminishing returns, on a #1 planer, but it sounds like I've been maxing it out on depth.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might find this publication interesting.
https://seastriker.com/styled-8/files/fishing-clarkspoons-0026-how-to-fish-planers.pdf

It is from the folks that make planers and Clarkspoons.
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to calculate as close as possible drop your planer until it is bumping bottom. If using a level wind reel count the number of times the the guide crosses the spool. Compare how much line you have out to reach that particular depth of water and you should have a close guess. Having said this I just drop back until I think I have it where I want it. Don't over complicate it.  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bjsc21 wrote:
If you want to calculate as close as possible drop your planer until it is bumping bottom. If using a level wind reel count the number of times the the guide crosses the spool. Compare how much line you have out to reach that particular depth of water and you should have a close guess. Having said this I just drop back until I think I have it where I want it. Don't over complicate it.


That doesn't really work. After max designed depth (12ft on a #1), the 2ft per 1 ft of depth starts increasing. For instance, if 24ft of line will get you to 12ft depth, 48ft of line won't necessarily get you to 24.

Either way, looks like I've been putting out too much line, and am not using enough leader. Want to spoon far back from the boat, but don't want it 25ft down.

Thanks for the help guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I run 1s and 2s off my cleats. Both have about 12 feet of line holding them down. I can see them in clear water but they are down below the prop wash.

My drop back from them is three arm lengths of 30 lb flouro. They harvest a lot of fish.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another way is to troll them close to the beach (or in the waterway) in shallower water and see when they bump bottom. On the north side of mbi there is some shallow water near the jetty that you can test your planer depth on. My #1 seems to max out at 15-20 feet as best i can remember  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to be a smart ass but put it to where you are catching fish.

Speed of the boat (yes everyone trolls at different speeds), strength of line and diameter, type of rod and height are all factors in how "deep" a planner will run. Your boat and my boat will be different because of these factors. Plus some days fish are deeper than other days.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no set depth. You want it where the fish are.
If you want deeper use a #2 You vary how much line
you put out until you find where the fish are holding.
The most important thing is use the correct line size for
the correct spoon size so the spoon will swim properly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we are talking about spanish fishing....not rocket science. If you find the hungry spanish they will eat about anything, seems simple to me.  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capt.Barbosa wrote:
we are talking about spanish fishing....not rocket science. If you find the hungry spanish they will eat about anything, seems simple to me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are worried about depth pull in tight to the beach and see where it trips. When I pull them (which is rare) I normally just run them out until they start to blow back.  
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