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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: heartworms Reply with quote

Can dogs get heartwoms from eating mosquitoes? ?
I think I'm getting bad info...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eating? No, its transmitted by mosquitoes when they bite
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I think. Google research confirmed.
I'm switching vets. The new one requires to test for them every year (30$)even though dogs have been on preventative meds.
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackdiamond wrote:
That's what I think. Google research confirmed.
I'm switching vets. The new one requires to test for them every year (30$)even though dogs have been on preventative meds.


Yea mine does to. I think of it as insurance just in case the meds lapse or dont do their job.
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They said the meds only protect from bites not eating fleas.i said they don't get it from fleas they changed to mosquitoes...this was from the reseptionist not the doc..  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They said the meds only protect from bites not eating fleas.i said they don't get it from fleas they changed to mosquitoes...this was from the reseptionist not the doc..


sounds like they are out to sell you something. triheart pill once a month and a bravecto pill once every 6 months is what I use to keep him covered from everything.
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dixie get tested once a year for Heart Worms and Parasites. This is done with her annual checkup. She get Heart Guard one a month that I get from https://www.petbucket.com/c/4521471/1/dogs.html
She also wears a Seresto collar for Fleas and Ticks. Change it every 8 months, I get that from Chewy.com
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heartworms come from mosquitos feeding on your dog. Tapeworms come from your dog eating fleas. Every decent vet out there requires an annual heartworm test even if your dog has been on preventative. Preventative isn't 100% effective. If your dog has heartworms, isn't checked, and gets some forms of preventative they could have a severe reaction. Trust me when I say vets are NOT requiring tests to make money. They are doing it do keep your dog safe.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Chumbucket said. Most HW preventions on the market are very effective if administered monthly, but aren't foolproof (a dog could throw up the pill and you may not notice). They are transmitted from an infected dog to either the same dog or to another dog in order to complete their life cycle. The immature heartworm larva must be ingested by a mosquito in order for it to start to grow to infect another dog when that mosquito feeds again. A misconception about monthly HW pills is that they protect throughout the month. This is not the case. They are effective for only the 1-2 days when you administer them to clear any accumulated heartworm larva since the previous pill (up to 4-6 weeks). If you are late on the next administration, the larval heartworm may grow to a size that the pill can no longer stop and your dog winds up with adult heartworms in its heart. The pills are not effective against the adults. All the heartworm preventatives (there is a 6 month shot and a monthly topical as well) are guaranteed by the manufacturers. If you have annual heartworm tests and no lapse in purchase from an "authorized retailer", and your pet tests positive for heartworms, they will pay for the entire heartworm treatment. In addition, most HW tests on the market now screen for a variety of tick-borne diseases as well. It takes 6 months for a heartworm larva to grow to an adult and the test only detects the adults. Therefore, if you have missed prevention, you need two tests at least 6 months apart to confirm that your dog does not have heartworms from the period of missed prevention. The incidence of heartworm infection in dogs not on HW prevention in our area (SE NC) is nearly 50%.

Good info here:

https://www.heartwormsociety.org/
https://www.heartwormsociety.org/veterinary-resources/incidence-maps
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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blackdiamond wrote:
They said the meds only protect from bites not eating fleas.i said they don't get it from fleas they changed to mosquitoes...this was from the reseptionist not the doc..


sounds like they are out to sell you something. triheart pill once a month and a bravecto pill once every 6 months is what I use to keep him covered from everything.


Bravecto only lasts 3 months for flea/ticks and is an excellent flea/tick prevention.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Doc and all for the info.....  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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blackdiamond wrote:
They said the meds only protect from bites not eating fleas.i said they don't get it from fleas they changed to mosquitoes...this was from the reseptionist not the doc..


sounds like they are out to sell you something. triheart pill once a month and a bravecto pill once every 6 months is what I use to keep him covered from everything.


Bravecto only lasts 3 months for flea/ticks and is an excellent flea/tick prevention.


You're right, got it confused with his proheart shot he use to get.
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Bravecto and ivamectin on my Lab best money you can spend
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's well worth the annual heartworm check and using the monthly preventative. If your dog gets heartworm the treatment is REALLY tough on the dog. They essentially have to poison your dog to kill the heartworms and it isn't an exact science. Different dogs react differently, age plays a role, etc. The dog truly suffers through the process and if aged, may not make it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackdiamond wrote:
That's what I think. Google research confirmed.
I'm switching vets mutuelles Entreprise. The new one requires to test for them every year (30$)even though dogs have been on preventative meds.

And maybe they have to be quarantined to prevent the spread of the disease.
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
It's well worth the annual heartworm check and using the monthly preventative. If your dog gets heartworm the treatment is REALLY tough on the dog. They essentially have to poison your dog to kill the heartworms and it isn't an exact science. Different dogs react differently, age plays a role, etc. The dog truly suffers through the process and if aged, may not make it.


Don't know what happened to original post to this quote, but only the first sentence here is correct. The remainder is very outdated information (>20yrs).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion it is a racket so you have to go pay the vet once a year. The reasoning makes sense tho, if your dog has heartworms and is given the preventive meds it could possibly kill ur dog, so it is a liability thing. I was told by a vet it was a law in NC. Years ago, you could just sign a waiver for the heartworm test saying the owner is responsible if anything happens. This doesn't happen anymore. Is it because of laws, or the fact you are handcuffed to a check up yearly with ur vet in order to get heartworm pills.

I finally got tired of paying the man, now I give my dog yearly vaccines, go to a free rabies clinic every few years, and get my heartworm pills from canada. Never had a problem with the heartworm pills (heartgard) from canada, always in date, and dog hasn't had a problem for a couple years of using them.

I may get bashed for these comments, but i couldn't justify spending way more money on my dogs healthcare than my own.
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have a vet in grifton rated # 3 in the nation its fathful friends veterinary. she can answer any questions you have and what she says is money. have had dogs all my life and she is the best I have seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capt.Barbosa wrote:
In my opinion it is a racket so you have to go pay the vet once a year. The reasoning makes sense tho, if your dog has heartworms and is given the preventive meds it could possibly kill ur dog, so it is a liability thing. I was told by a vet it was a law in NC. Years ago, you could just sign a waiver for the heartworm test saying the owner is responsible if anything happens. This doesn't happen anymore. Is it because of laws, or the fact you are handcuffed to a check up yearly with ur vet in order to get heartworm pills.

I finally got tired of paying the man, now I give my dog yearly vaccines, go to a free rabies clinic every few years, and get my heartworm pills from canada. Never had a problem with the heartworm pills (heartgard) from canada, always in date, and dog hasn't had a problem for a couple years of using them.

I may get bashed for these comments, but i couldn't justify spending way more money on my dogs healthcare than my own.


Unfortunately, due to the highly litigious society we live in, no medical professional can practice like they did in the past. Medical/veterinary/pharmacy laws dictate that a doctor/patient (veterinarian/client/patient) relationship be intact in order for prescription medications to be prescribed. The law considers 1 year a valid time frame for this relationship. Same as your pharmacy requiring doctor authorization for refills past one year. I wouldn't consider my profession to be a "racket" when you are attempting to abide by the laws that can remove you from your chosen profession and risk the safety of your pet.
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Capt.Barbosa wrote:
In my opinion it is a racket so you have to go pay the vet once a year. The reasoning makes sense tho, if your dog has heartworms and is given the preventive meds it could possibly kill ur dog, so it is a liability thing. I was told by a vet it was a law in NC. Years ago, you could just sign a waiver for the heartworm test saying the owner is responsible if anything happens. This doesn't happen anymore. Is it because of laws, or the fact you are handcuffed to a check up yearly with ur vet in order to get heartworm pills.

I finally got tired of paying the man, now I give my dog yearly vaccines, go to a free rabies clinic every few years, and get my heartworm pills from canada. Never had a problem with the heartworm pills (heartgard) from canada, always in date, and dog hasn't had a problem for a couple years of using them.

I may get bashed for these comments, but i couldn't justify spending way more money on my dogs healthcare than my own.


Unfortunately, due to the highly litigious society we live in, no medical professional can practice like they did in the past. Medical/veterinary/pharmacy laws dictate that a doctor/patient (veterinarian/client/patient) relationship be intact in order for prescription medications to be prescribed. The law considers 1 year a valid time frame for this relationship. Same as your pharmacy requiring doctor authorization for refills past one year. I wouldn't consider my profession to be a "racket" when you are attempting to abide by the laws that can remove you from your chosen profession and risk the safety of your pet.


First off, I apologize, "racket" might have been to strong of word to use in this situation. And I apologize for bashing ur profession....I am just fed up with it.

I know u are just doing what the laws say, but that still doesn't make it right. I am really not trying to bash u personally,,,,or ur profession. Im just fed up with the "man" requiring you to do this and that just so my we (my dog) can live a healthy life.

here's a question for ya....Why won't vets just let the tech draw blood for heartworm test so you can get the pills for a year. They all want to charge you 60+ for an "examination by the vet", plus this, plus that. next thing you know you have a $200 bill and all u wanted was some heartworm pills.

My main problem is that heartworm pills are essential (especially for eastern NC) so that your dog stays healthy.

Let me say this, I love my vet, they are great. And I take my dog there when I know something isn't right. But I do not like having to get an examination just to get preventive pills which are necessary for the healthy life of a dog. Sorry rant over, and again I apologize if i offended u.
  
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No offense taken. As with any law, there are different interpretations and each practice may have different policies. I, for one, do allow a client to get HW pills with only an annual test. The owner can opt-out of the test if no prevention has been missed, but an annual exam is required to maintain the vet/client/patient relationship. I always recommend the test because cases of positive tests do occur even with no known missed pills (vomiting, late administration, and even new found concerns of possible resistance to pills). I detailed earlier the other reasons an annual test is good for the consumer. An exam is also recommended to monitor the pets overall health. I have always practiced in a rural area with lower income levels, so my policies are set within the parameters of the law without providing a barrier to healthcare. This may not be the case in large practices in the cities where overhead costs to operate the practice may exist.
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