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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Lionfish Reply with quote

I see them all the time on my GoPro footage yet we never catch them. I've only ever caught one, on a small live pinfish. Anybody else have experience catching them on hook and line? If so, please share details. It would be great if we could start catching more of them. They need to be thinned out and are great table fare. Just watch out for the spines of course eek
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had them in an aquarium. My guess would be that they are not big on moving around and kind of wait till the bait gets just in front of them and then simply do the vacuum move.

I have seen them suck in a goldfish from a few inches.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you use feeder goldfish in a saltwater tank? I'm confused, but admittedly ignorant.  
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iíve only caught 1 as well. Forgot what it hit. From the footage Iíve seen they donít seem to move around much so Iím guessing bharbaugh is right.  
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bilzo wrote:
you use feeder goldfish in a saltwater tank? I'm confused, but admittedly ignorant.


Goldfish can withstand salt more than people think. But the type of saltwater tank that are in topic is a bit much. They survive long enough for the predator to make a meal. Used to work in a pet shop, would feed the lionfish and Sea anemone's feeder goldfish from time to time.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Lionfish Reply with quote

chumbucket wrote:
I see them all the time on my GoPro footage yet we never catch them. I've only ever caught one, on a small live pinfish. Anybody else have experience catching them on hook and line? If so, please share details. It would be great if we could start catching more of them. They need to be thinned out and are great table fare. Just watch out for the spines of course eek


I would also be interested in figuring out how to catch them. I know the SCUBA and freedive crowd have lion fish derbies to see how many they can spear, but would be nice to do my part topside as well.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bilzo wrote:
you use feeder goldfish in a saltwater tank? I'm confused, but admittedly ignorant.


yes, they don't last long enough to die.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are definitely well established on our offshore ledges and no they do no move much. Even when approached by a diver.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lionfish move very slowly on all my videos and definitely hug the bottom. They are almost always right under the boat, where I drop the camera. So getting the bait to them is not the problem. They are staring at baits right in front of them but not touching them. Want to know what to use to entice them to eat. NOAA says small fish. My one was caught on a live pinfish about 3 inches long, very small. Maybe take some live finger mullet?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it sounds like goldfish for bait, with precision presentation? lmao
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^that's what I was thinking too. I mean....I figured they could withstand the salt a little while, guess they can probably tolerate a drop to 90' as well. Fast forward 20 years and they'll be talking about the goldfish invasion destroying the coral offshore and displacing endemic species all because a bunch of stupid anglers started using them for bait.  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of things currently being tried to catch or trap Lionfish. None of them working very well. Maybe we need to learn how to train Grouper and Sharks to eat them.  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bilzo wrote:
^^^that's what I was thinking too. I mean....I figured they could withstand the salt a little while, guess they can probably tolerate a drop to 90' as well. Fast forward 20 years and they'll be talking about the goldfish invasion destroying the coral offshore and displacing endemic species all because a bunch of stupid anglers started using them for bait.


I'd take that. I don't think stupid bluefish are scared of chowing down on a goldfish.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be some kind of incentive for recreational divers to harvest lionfish.A fisheries management program to pay divers to catch them or allow them to be sold without having to have a commercial license is my idea.  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerryd wrote:
Lots of things currently being tried to catch or trap Lionfish. None of them working very well. Maybe we need to learn how to train Grouper and Sharks to eat them.


They are learning.

https://www.caymancompass.com/2014/04/16/sharks-grouper-learn-to-prey-on-lionfish/
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MealOnReels wrote:
There should be some kind of incentive for recreational divers to harvest lionfish.A fisheries management program to pay divers to catch them


LOL where you gonna get the money for that?
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, forget that part.How about $5 /lb at the market with no license required  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MealOnReels wrote:
OK, forget that part.How about $5 /lb at the market with no license required


Okay, who are you going to get to buy it at $5 a pound (or more).

And there is no reason to do away with the commercial fishing license requirement. That's opening a big ole can of worms and setting a bad precedent. Commercial fishermen can sell them now.
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commercial divers don't bother with a $5/lb lionfish when there are 6.50/lb groupers and hogfish to be had although I have seen one bring in 700 pounds of lionfish when he needed to.Rec divers would/may help take some out if there was some reward for doing it.It,s probably to late at this point anyway.There are so many now they are here to stay.Sorry for side tracking the post.  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never think about commercial divers. How large is that segment in NC?  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We target lions and are getting $5 a lb. Easy to get 25 lb a drop when they are bunched up. Got one 3 1/2 sat.  
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^ Wavescrash^^^^^  
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Male lionfish can be trapped using female lionfish pheromones for bait. Only male lionfish are attracted so there is no bycatch. Fishery managers could coordinate efforts with divers to collect the pheromone bait and schedule a commercial trapping period during prime spawning season to help control lionfish populations. Cameras could be installed on traps to collect valuable data. No reason recs couldn't participate in the opening with a trap or two per boat for personal consumption.  
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,what do you think about rec divers being able to sell lionfish as incentive to take lionfisn.No limits ,just pure overfishing practices like the old days.It worked back then to wipe out targeted species.It might hurt the price they are bringing now but thats nothing new to fishing  
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MealOnReels wrote:
Chris,what do you think about rec divers being able to sell lionfish as incentive to take lionfisn.No limits ,just pure overfishing practices like the old days.It worked back then to wipe out targeted species.It might hurt the price they are bringing now but thats nothing new to fishing


I think there could be a way for recreational divers to profit from lionfish. There could be a statewide lionfish roundup before trapping seasons to collect female lionfish reproductive organs to be used as bait. The meat could be sold and divers paid $5 per pound for whole fish. It would need to be officially coordinated with sate and federal fishery managers. This is the kind of positive solution I would like to see them focus on.
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be done under a Special Use Permit  
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MealOnReels wrote:
It could be done under a Special Use Permit


That's an option. The SAFMC's Citizen Science Program would be a good place to promote this idea. Federal fishery managers are asking for our input and listening to our suggestions. We could make this happen IF enough fishermen are willing to publicly support it.
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have speared quite a few diving offshore ledges . Yes , the y are plentiful off of our coast.

Trust me when I say , if you ever try a lion fish fillet , you will turn your nose up to grouper after having that.
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they had them at whole foods one time (no - I don't shop there exclusively, but once in a while I poke my head in because they do have a pretty good seafood selection for those of us who don't live at the beach). I bought one just to try it. It was expensive as hell, and to me - it tasted like black sea bass (which I like).
So...I wouldn't get it again, because they wanted about 150% the price of BSB and they tasted about the same to me.
  
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