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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:38 am    Post subject: Thinking of making the switch to Cat -Thoughts? Reply with quote

Hello all - Currently I have a 239fs Key West. Love the boat and have enjoyed it but.... Looking for something with more open fishing room and a better ride.

I have been looking at Cats for a while now. I have never ridden on one but from everything I read, it sounds like what I am looking for. I found a Twin Vee 260se for a pretty good price and am debating putting up the Key West for sale and heading that direction. From everything I have read, there is quite a bit of getting used to but once you do, it's ride in rough seas, performance and fuel efficiency is tough to beat in the same length monohull.

I will be looking to take a ride on one (if you know anyone who has one, I'll gladly pay) before doing this of course but figured I would ask some opinions on here first.

A couple key things for me.... Twin fuel tanks, plane on one engine, beam runs all the way to front, open rear and of course, better ride....

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad has a cat and I'd be happy to answer any questions. My twin vee does plane on one engine just fine. We had to do it once and came home at 25 mph. You can ignore small choppy waves to a point. I'm still mastering the art of trimming the boat and handling but I'm also not a highly experienced skipper. I typically run lines, bait hooks, and gaff fish. The twin vees fish great, high and wide gunnels are nice and a lot of room in the back.  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have owned two, a Seacat SL5C and a Ameracat 27. The Seacat has a semi-displacement hull the Ameracat more of a planning hull like the twin vee. The seacat had a softer ride, but was a little harder to handle as she would bow steer. The Ameracat was a good ride but not as soft as the seacat, but easier to handle in any seas. Since the tunnel wasn't as high as the seacat you will feel some hull slap and shuddering at lower speeds. The Ameracat was a noticeably better on fuel with twin 175 suzukis and would easily plane on one engine and run on one engine nearly 30 mph. The Ameracat was fully composite, so no worries with rot, not so sure about the Twin vees. I know they have had problems in the past with it. Ameracat is now making a 25 with a single engine, that would be a great all around sound to sea boat. I actually sold my 27 in September to go to a single engine v-hull, but if I had the money I would of looked into the new 25.

Oh yeah, cat boats can be a bitch to load, you got to be dead nuts to hit the bunks.
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about Twin Vees, but the modern cats like Freeman/Prowler/Calcutta are badass and I'd choose them over anything except maybe an Onslow Bay.

Cayo down in Florida is working on a 26 hybrid (bay/offshore) that looks bad ass but they are just now finishing hull #1 so no real world experience with a fully rigged boat yet.
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wavescrash wrote:
I don't know much about Twin Vees, but the modern cats like Freeman/Prowler/Calcutta are badass and I'd choose them over anything except maybe an Onslow Bay.

Cayo down in Florida is working on a 26 hybrid (bay/offshore) that looks bad ass but they are just now finishing hull #1 so no real world experience with a fully rigged boat yet.


Yep , never heard anything but good stuff on those three....pricey but that comes with the territory.
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every hull has it's pros and cons but you not find a better ride than a cat. Take a couple out for a sea trial and see for yourself. I was set to buy a cat last year and was going back and forth between WorldCat and Twin Vee. I ended up getting a mono hull only because of $.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tideline Boats in Edenton NC builds some nice cats, per reviews. I was going from a 21' skiff last Fall to a bay boat, thought very hard about the Tideline 235 Hybrid which drafts 14", similar to average large bay boat. I decided on a 24' bay boat, mainly because I fish alone on a regular basis and the bay boat will be easier to handle. Think they have larger models, cool boats. I have been on a couple power cats, would defiantly lean that way if I was a offshore stream guy.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all!!! I'm an offshore only guy. Backwater is too much like freshwater to me.

I've seen the talk about loading it back on trailer. Is it truly that much more of a pain? I fish alone quite often.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were quite a few Twin Vees that had water intrusion issues where water would get into the hulls and you could never get it out. Do a search on THT or other sites. I know personally of one 26 that gained about 800# of water weight and eventually cost the owners over $8k to have it resolved. Not all of them are bad. Certain years and models IIRC. Spend the $ for a quality marine survey on any boat purchased used.  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timorjc wrote:
There were quite a few Twin Vees that had water intrusion issues where water would get into the hulls and you could never get it out. Do a search on THT or other sites. I know personally of one 26 that gained about 800# of water weight and eventually cost the owners over $8k to have it resolved. Not all of them are bad. Certain years and models IIRC. Spend the $ for a quality marine survey on any boat purchased used.


I've read the same about them in the past. Supposedly they have changed all their QC and workmanship since the new owner took over. I have not seen much in the way of bad reviews on the new ones.

It's a difficult decision. Either way I am moving up from my 239 to something a little more offshore capable and more room... Just have to decide what and how much I can afford.
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wampler24 wrote:
Thanks all!!! I'm an offshore only guy. Backwater is too much like freshwater to me.

I've seen the talk about loading it back on trailer. Is it truly that much more of a pain? I fish alone quite often.


Loading can be a chore, especially by yourself. One reason I got rid of mine was that it was sorta hard for me and my fiancťe to handle by ourselves, especially in the wind. If you load in any kind of current, it's going to be a bitch. It's not like pointing a v hull to the center and letting it "right" itself when it hits the bunks. It takes a little more patience and is a learning process.
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cats excel in short close chop which is kind of the majority of our seas here in NC. Same running to the oil rigs in Louisiana and thatís why Freeman Cats are so popular.
Iím not bashing the, and only hear amazing reports from guys who have fished a Freeman. Things I do know are very difficult to life with a fork lift unless you have a special cradle . As mentioned hard to trailer load.
Difficult to wire or rig anything in the hulls because of distance to center helm from pontoons.
Run fast on smaller engines so fuel savings is great. Like any hull design if it was like inventing the wheel everyone would buy it. I do know in super fast offshore racing boats Certain sea conditions they blow away the skinny deep V boats and other days depending on sea conditions they suck. Seems very popular in Australia. Iíd be doing a google search to try and find out why.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cats excel in short close chop which is kind of the majority of our seas here in NC. Same running to the oil rigs in Louisiana and thatís why Freeman Cats are so popular.
Iím not bashing the, and only hear amazing reports from guys who have fished a Freeman. Things I do know are very difficult to life with a fork lift unless you have a special cradle . As mentioned hard to trailer load.
Difficult to wire or rig anything in the hulls because of distance to center helm from pontoons.
Run fast on smaller engines so fuel savings is great. Like any hull design if it was like inventing the wheel everyone would buy it. I do know in super fast offshore racing boats Certain sea conditions they blow away the skinny deep V boats and other days depending on sea conditions they suck. Seems very popular in Australia. Iíd be doing a google search to try and find out why.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have dogkiller's SeaCat now. I've launched and hauled her solo many times without issue so don't let that hold you up. Strong crosswind or current can increase the level of difficulty but your approach speed and how far down you back the trailer are the keys. Ours doesn't do so well in a head sea and a big following quartering sea is a trick to operate in but aside from that it performs very well. It'll eat up a chop. I'd be happy to take you out for a spin if I can ever get back down east. Boat is stored in Otway, launch out of Harkers or Davis.  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunchmoney wrote:
We have dogkiller's SeaCat now. I've launched and hauled her solo many times without issue so don't let that hold you up. Strong crosswind or current can increase the level of difficulty but your approach speed and how far down you back the trailer are the keys. Ours doesn't do so well in a head sea and a big following quartering sea is a trick to operate in but aside from that it performs very well. It'll eat up a chop. I'd be happy to take you out for a spin if I can ever get back down east. Boat is stored in Otway, launch out of Harkers or Davis.


If I am ever that way, I will give you a shout! Thank you for everyone's input. I am still on the fence but will take some time to sell mine anyway so I am continuing my research. The main reason I am looking for something is to increase my fishable days. The choppy seas common around OKI keep me on the dirt more often then I would like. I see other larger boats heading out while I stand on shore and dream. I see the Twin Vee 260se can be gotten for under 100K new so that is what really peaked my interest. That and I won't need a bigger truck to haul it to the ramp and back. Through my countless hours of research, I am finding the cons are having a lot to do with learning the habits of a cat in different sea conditions and once you know the boat and how to control, they can be overcome.....

Still debating but really appreciate the input from everyone. Now to get mine on the market because either way, I am changing directions on the boat. The Key west is AWESOME for everyday general fishing/family use but I am looking to move more towards fishing only.
  
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The older worldcat's are built like a tank. Here is a video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtBiHnP6oSI
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