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Should catch share management be indicted in the Carlos Seafood case?

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/opinion/20160316/your-view-should-catch-share-management-be-indicted-in-carlos-seafood-case
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:05 pm
"You cannot indict a concept, but you can investigate all the money that has been spread around in the creation of catch shares. A system based on greed is guaranteed to encourage bad behavior. As further consolidation occurs, that greed will spread from the remaining fishermen into management and NGOs."


It's always been about control so a few could get all the money. Conservation?? BAHAHAHAHAHA! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:15 pm
One only needs to watch one episode of Big Fish Texas on NatGeo to get a better
understanding of the article Capt Dave posted.

And regardless if you are a rec or comm fisherman the episode where the mishandled
Red Snapper is sold for dog food will make you want to puke...or cry.
  
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:23 pm
After that episode, I stopped watching it.
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:13 pm
You know that 10th Amendment I keep carrying on about on these forums? Prime example.  
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:20 pm
Capt_Dave wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


You see anything in there about the feds owning the fish Capt. Dave? Me neither...

Liberals may say "interstate commerce" covers fishery management, but I dare say the founding fathers would disagree.
  
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:35 pm
Jason,

Federal Waters = Federal Influence and Control

State Waters= State Control and Federal Influence

Talking about this television show... Texas rec. anglers harvest ARS out to 9 nm mainly because those are state controlled waters. Beyond 9 nm, federal water jurisdiction kicks in and Catch Shares rule. I'm not saying the Feds. own the fish but they do control those waters and activities occurring on those waters.

Not sure how 10th amendment really "trumps" this situation.
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:49 pm
Matador wrote:
Jason,

Federal Waters = Federal Influence and Control

State Waters= State Control and Federal Influence

Talking about this television show... Texas rec. anglers harvest ARS out to 9 nm mainly because those are state controlled waters. Beyond 9 nm, federal water jurisdiction kicks in and Catch Shares rule. I'm not saying the Feds. own the fish but they do control those waters and activities occurring on those waters.

Not sure how 10th amendment really "trumps" this situation.


This is an excerpt from a lawsuit filed in New Hampshire:
The regional fishery management council system is unconstitutional, he claims, for two reasons. First, because the private members of the councils – mostly fishermen and fishing industry representatives­ – are appointed from candidate lists submitted by state governors, the statutory process violates the Appointments Clause of the U.S. Constitution that vests the appointment power of people exercising significant federal authority solely with the federal government, not state governors.

Second, he argues that the Magnuson-Stevens Act’s council system is constitutionally invalid because the law essentially “conscripts” state fishery officials onto the management councils. The Magnuson-Stevens Act makes a region’s top state fishery officials de facto members of the regional council where they develop the regional fishing rules. This, the lawsuit claims, is contrary to the Tenth Amendment, which prohibits Congress from issuing “directives requiring the States to address particular problems” and from “command[ing] the State officers . . . to administer . . . a federal program.”


I think where it fits into the Tenth Amendment is the federal government was intended to defend the country, print or coin money, regulate interstate commerce, and not much else.
The "interstate commerce" part is what has led to 99% of the bureaucracies that have been created to "manage" things the federal government was never intended to manage.

Rhode Island's State Constitution, and charter from King George for that matter, specifically reserve the right to fish to the people. Somewhere down the line, the feds decided they "trumped" that right, and now tell us all what, when, and where we can catch, and not for reasons of conservation, but much more sinister motives (i.e. catch shares).
  
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:56 pm
And folks jump on me when I talk about feeding the Beast. The sentence about the brand new building, new hires, etc.........oughtta be enough to make you smell a rat. It has nothing to do with us, it's all about them. Building the infrastructure to keep them employed, in benefits and growing the Agency machine. Ray Charles could have seen this sham coming.  
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:07 pm
Jason, you are correct about a lot in your last post but many of these states take federal funds so we all know that when you take those funds you basically sign-on to being told what to do and how to do it. These federal branches are essentially enforcing directives which are actually laws that could not get passed in Congress in order to control resources, rob the taxpayer, put people out of jobs, and get rich in the process. You name it, anything related to fisheries conservation, global warming, alternative energy; it's all about power and money and of course appeasing people that swear the sky is falling.
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:26 pm
It was the taxes implemented on codfish that was a root cause of our fight for freedom. When you read the article you read about how the elitists have a cottage industry created by govt. Yet you read little about the families that have lost or will lose what is left of their heritage.
Damm shame
  
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Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:53 pm
And if I'm not mistaken the at least the last time if not the last two times the northeast cod fishery collapsed the fishery was under catch share management. So much for conservation.
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Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:33 am
Matador wrote:
Jason, you are correct about a lot in your last post but many of these states take federal funds so we all know that when you take those funds you basically sign-on to being told what to do and how to do it. These federal branches are essentially enforcing directives which are actually laws that could not get passed in Congress in order to control resources, rob the taxpayer, put people out of jobs, and get rich in the process. You name it, anything related to fisheries conservation, global warming, alternative energy; it's all about power and money and of course appeasing people that swear the sky is falling.


I could not have said it better. The States have too much at stake now to stand up for themselves. It's a snowball running downhill.
  
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Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:59 am
Lawsuits against our government can backfire if lost as precedents are set giving big brother more power to advance agendas. It is extremely hard to win a case against our government in government courts.

JEA is an example of federal funds with strings attached.

The way to stop catch shares is for enough concerned citizens to support alternative solutions that solve the problems created to promote privatization.
  
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