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barefootfishing
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:47 am
A friend of mine called me and asked me to respond to this post ...

The floks that say "this is the best year we've ever had"
are one of two things...
1) Have very few or no grey hairs...... or
2) Never flounder fished in the late 70's or early 80's
This November 2nd would have been the 16th year of the "Flat Bottom Girls Flounder Tournament". This means I've been saying flounder fishing has been going down hill for the 18 years. All (live) flounder weighed in for prizes were donated to UNCW and NCSU for research of an eventual hatchery...hopefully. Funding was pulled a couple years ago, and the (hatchery) research was scrapped.
Flounder fishing SUCKS now compared to years ago. FACT. I (we) Fish For Tomorrow and recently Onslow Bay Artificial Reef Assn. have been asking the state (NCDMF) to get involved in the flounder hatchery thought process FOR YEARS!!! NC, via UNCW (Wade Watanabe) and NCSU (Harry Daniels) have trained the rest of the country on the process of how to spawn/incubate and grow out the southern flounder for many years. Harry Daniels and John Miller literally "wrote the book" ......"The potential For Southern Flounder Stock Enhancement In NC" years ago.
Answer this one....Why is it that we educate the rest of the country and outside the country on how to spawn and grow flounder into sucsessfull stock enhancement programs , but we can't do it here in the most fertile southern flounder state in all the world The log jam of southern flounder populations is not the recruitment of adult spawning biomass on the nearshore wrecks and ledges, it's the migration process of the <20 mm fry getting back to, and thru the inlets and into the back of the creeks where they spend the first year of life before starting the process of returning to the ocean and entering into the spawning cycle themselves. The problem is millions of predators from pinfish, croakers, lizardfish, bluefish, other flounder and others eat them during the journey to the headwaters of the creeks on the western side of the waterway/sound. Why can't we use the education and experience of dozens of former and current research associates from UNCW and NCSU to correct this problem? hhhhhmmmmmmmmmm........ ??? good question.... We could grow 10's of millions of 90mm (hatchery) fingerlings and release them in the back of the creeks in order to avoid the predation issues and assist in the process of overcoming the reduced survival of fingerlings in the creeks So I will ask you all a question..... Who would be opposed to a NC "Flounder Stamp" in order to fund a LARGE scale flounder hatchery or two? ... much like Florida has a "snook stamp". I'm Suggesting..... Recreational anglers $ 1.00 or $2.00 on your CRFL Recreational flounder divers/giggers $50.00 Commercial flounder netters/giggers $300-$500 Pound netters and/or nearshore trawlers $1000 These are just suggestions .... but this would raise enough money quickly in order to fund a solution to this problem, rather than just shut it all down... NCDMF / NCMFC should react to this SERIOUS financial problem for anglers, guide services, giggers ( rereational and commercial operations), tackle shops, boat builders and others in a proactive manner, rather than the typical reactive fashion as has been the protocall for the last few decades
  
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bperry
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:11 am
Just another tax that would be squandered by elected officials, we already have to buy a saltwater fishing licenses with a 2 dollar processing fee. Maybe we should find out where that money goes before throwing more money into the abyss.WAKE UP PEOPLE!  
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zigzag
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:50 am
I agree with bperry.  
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todobien
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:31 pm
If I'm paying a dollar for the few I land, I think the comms should pay way more based on the number they land and that they are making money off the resource I'm paying to put out there. Better yet let them build ponds and raise their own flounder.  
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stevehes
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm
Funding flounder stocking program - Absolutely up for that!
Adding a surcharge to the license - Hell No! You'll never see any of it...
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downeaster
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:59 am
The NCDMF spends a lot of money with their oyster shell restocking and there is no reason why they cant start up a hatchery to raise certain fish species. Most of them are paid to study problems and that has not yielded many positive results over the years so switch them over to raising fish for a few years. Of course the NC CCA will fight hard to prevent fish hatcheries in NC as they always have.  
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todobien
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:49 pm
What percentage of the areas they are placing the oyster shell are "sanctuaries" and not supposed to be oystered? I say supposed to as DMF has stated that folks are running oyster dredges through them and have seen the results of that on their sidescan sonar surveys of the areas.  
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downeaster
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:17 pm
have no idea as to how many are designated as sanctuary. The fact is these sanctuaries provide baby oysters that drift around until they locate a home and will eventually end up on some consumers plate. Fish hatcheries work quite well and is why states like Texas use them to supply around 25 million finger size reds, specks and flounder to their waters each year. I know the Feds operate a hatchery up in Edenton that produces a lot of striped bass each year along with other fish species.  
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tireman
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:02 pm
in my opinion flounder season will close the meeting is just a formality to let people vent and think their words are being considered I may be wrong but I bet not.
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DAVID146
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:52 pm
I now identify as a commercial fisherman.  
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RonJon1011
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 pm
Is that the same as a transrecreational fisherman???  
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DAVID146
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:45 am
Yep  
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Ratical
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:26 pm
Has there been any official word ?  
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downeaster
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:28 pm
Looks like its over for rec flounder fishermen within a week or so along with a short season for commercials. Strange that they are going to allow rec fishing guides to still keep flounder all year but can only possess 4. The DMF experts claimed that rec fishing guides only catch around 1600 lbs a year and allowing them 4 would not cause any problems. That's strange since I know 1 rec that catches that many (1600lbs) in an average month carrying out recs on gigging trips.  
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DAVID146
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:03 pm
I guess I will have to stay on the SC side of lr inlet when I come in from now on. I still donít see how itís going to help if you donít put a limit of pounded on commercial guys this will probably be overturned soon I sure some organization has a plan.  
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gshivar
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:09 pm
DMF home page states a proclamation will be issued next week, probably closing Sept 4th.  
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llessur2
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:03 pm
Such bullshit...
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downeaster
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:32 pm
closing until mid August of next year to most recs unless you are willing to pay the big bucks to use a professional fishing guide. Since the CCA is made up of numerous fishing guides they made darn sure they offered some goodies to their members at ordinary rec fishermen's expense of course' mad  
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marker39
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:39 pm
DE, you do know that 98% of the commercial southern flounder in the SE Atlantic States is provided by NC.

I'm sure you are also well aware of the traditional rec/commercial split of harvest in NC.

Having said that,

The gift to guides is BS, and I used to be one.

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Matador
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:59 pm
You mean the conservationists at the CCA who have wanted to gamefish flounder for years are willing to still keep 4 fish for guides even though the stocks are supposedly depleted? Anytime CCA feels something is depleted they want the nets gone, the giggers gone. I guess everyone but them to be gone. Why donít they fire up one of those CCA hatcheries here in N.C? I know there are some members that are decent people and who believe in protecting a resource but I think they are often misguided. Some of their leadership are complete bitches. And thatís why I backed of the commercial lobby years ago. CCA needs a counter weight or they will gamefish flounder.
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downeaster
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:07 am
marker39 wrote:
DE, you do know that 98% of the commercial southern flounder in the SE Atlantic States is provided by NC.

I'm sure you are also well aware of the traditional rec/commercial split of harvest in NC.

Having said that,

The gift to guides is BS, and I used to be one.

BW



Then again SC,Ga and Florida do not allow gill nets or pound nets but overall NC flounder commercial landing amount to about 1/3 of the total southern flounder caught in the South Atlantic.
  
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gshivar
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:23 pm
What is the source for "guides can keep four flounder" . I see nothing on the DMF page. Is this fact or more internet BS? On the bright side, I should have enough rigs ready for next season  
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downeaster
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:49 pm
gshivar wrote:
What is the source for "guides can keep four flounder" . I see nothing on the DMF page. Is this fact or more internet BS? On the bright side, I should have enough rigs ready for next season



It was proposed and approved at yesterday's MFC meeting. The DMF claims that fishing guides catch so few flounder that its not going to have an effect . The claim is that guides catch or their customers do about 1600 lbs of flounder in an average year. Of course I now one guide that catches that many in a month especially with the gigging trips and the success he has. Think it sends the wrong message to allow those that are willing to pay the big dollars to catch flounder while those of us that are not loaded can not. Anyone out there know if fishing guides are required to report their catches since I wonder if the DMF even has any idea as to what is being caught by those fishing with guides.
  
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gshivar
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:38 pm
Downeast, thanks for the information. Wife and I Passed thru your wonderful part of the state taking our young grandsons to Ocracoke early this week. If guides can keep 4, closure will not have much affect in this area. WB and CB, inshore guides are 2 for a nickel. How to prove they are running a charter? That really sucks. They need to get a real job!!!  
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Pennyd
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:51 pm
I catch so few so why can't I keep 4 also? I know several guys that only catch a handful each year.  
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marker39
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:01 pm
Then again SC,Ga and Florida do not allow gill nets or pound nets

Exactly, and this is what we are left with.
  
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ward35
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:23 pm
Not sure, but a fine may be cheaper, than hiring a guide to catch flounder. The chance of getting caught is slim. My days of following fishing regs may be over.  
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downeaster
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:28 pm
or take a test for a 6 pack license and claim you are a guide . Am not sure if you must have customers or not since the rules is supposed to allow the guide's boat 4 flounder per day for most of the year.  
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DAVID146
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:35 pm
This is all bs I like to flounder fish but I only keep about ten a year. I keep no reds only a few black drum and sheepshead. I keep about 50 spots a year and probably about 20 trout Iíd the weather holds in the fall. I donít know a lot of people that really put a hurting on any fish unless they gig, guide or live near the beach. I truly donít think that 90% of the rec Fisherman hurt the population of any fish.. Iím still of the opinion that a lot of fish sold are never counted.  
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marker39
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:30 pm
downeaster wrote:
or take a test for a 6 pack license and claim you are a guide . Am not sure if you must have customers or not since the rules is supposed to allow the guide's boat 4 flounder per day for most of the year.



Yeah, that's a good idea.

To operate as a charter (even a fake one) you have to sign up for all the random drug testing, commercial insurance,, sticker on your boat,, commercial life preservers with light sticks, physical, etc.. etc...

Just to keep a flounder.........

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