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Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:15 pm
Council Approves Amendment 16 to End Overfishing
Interim rule will implement measures for gag, black grouper, and red grouper by early 2009
(New!: NOAA Fisheries Service FAQ now available on Amendment 16 and the interim rule)
The South Atlantic Fishery Management Council gave final approval to Amendment 16 to the Snapper Grouper Fishery Management Plan during its meeting in Charleston, South Carolina this past week. The amendment includes measures to end overfishing of gag grouper and vermilion snapper, including a 4-month spawning season closure for gag and shallow water grouper, reductions in bag limits, commercial quotas, and other measures. Approval of Amendment 16 was delayed during the Council’s June meeting when the Council agreed to consider additional management measures for analysis in the amendment. However, after considering the analysis of the additional options and receiving public comment as part of the week-long meeting, the Council moved forward to approve their original preferred management measures in Amendment 16. The vote was not unanimous, with Council members voting eight to five in favor of approval. Those Council members opposing approval of the amendment have declared they will file a minority report. The amendment will go through review by the National Marine Fisheries Service and receive approval by the Secretary of Commerce before management measures are implemented. It is estimated the review process will take several months.
The Council’s actions are driven by mandates from the Magnuson-Stevens Reauthorization Act that require fisheries managers to implement measures to end overfishing within a one-year period after overfishing has been identified. Both gag grouper and vermilion snapper stocks were identified as undergoing overfishing through the Southeast Data, Assessment, and Review (SEDAR) stock assessment process in June 2007. An age-based SEDAR stock assessment for vermilion snapper is currently underway and the results of the recent Assessment Workshop, part of the three-step stock assessment process, is indicating the stock status might be better than originally reported. The Review Workshop is scheduled for October 20-24, 2008 in Savannah, Georgia and is open to the public. Amendment 16 contains a provision that would allow adjustments to the reduction of vermilion snapper if necessary, based on the updated assessment. The final stock assessment results will be reviewed by the Scientific and Statistical Committee and the Council during the November 30 – December 5, 2008 meeting in Wilmington, North Carolina.
Measures in Amendment 16 to end overfishing for gag include: a spawning season closure January through April for both commercial and recreational fishermen for gag and other shallow water groupers including black grouper, red grouper scamp, red hind rock hind, yellowmouth grouper, tiger grouper, yellowfin grouper, graysby, and coney; a commercial quota for gag of 352,940 pounds gutted weight. After the quota is met, all purchase and sale of shallow water grouper would also be prohibited; reducing the 5-grouper aggregate bag limit to a 3-grouper aggregate bag limit and the existing bag limit from 2 gag or black grouper to 1 gag or black grouper; and excluding the captain and crew on for-hire vessels from possessing a bag limit for groupers. Additional measures for vermilion snapper, including commercial quotas, bag limits and a recreational closed season are likely to be modified following the stock assessment. The amendment also establishes interim allocations for both gag and vermilion snapper.
“These measures should end overfishing for gag and vermilion snapper,†said Council member Mac Currin, Chairman of the Snapper Grouper Committee. “Everyone is hopeful that the ongoing age-based assessment of vermilion snapper will allow the Council to reduce the measures impacting fishermen.â€
Interim Rule
In order to end overfishing for gag grouper, black grouper, and red grouper as required by the Magnuson Act, the Council approved an interim rule to implement reductions in fishing mortality as specified in Amendment 16. The Council's vote to approve the interim rule was also split, with 8 members in favor and five opposed. The interim rule includes the 4-month spawning season closure for gag, black grouper, and red grouper; the commercial quota for gag, with the harvest of black grouper and red grouper prohibited once the quota is met; and reductions in the recreational bag limit. Black grouper and red grouper are included in the interim rule because they are also experiencing overfishing and there is a bycatch of gag when black and red grouper are targeted. Earlier provisions to address overfishing for vermilion snapper and red snapper through the interim rule were removed and red snapper will be addressed by the Council during its November 30-December 5 meeting. An interim rule can only be used to address species undergoing overfishing and would be in effect for 180 days. The rule can be extended for an additional 186 days if necessary. Provisions of the interim rule with respect to federally permitted vessels for South Atlantic snapper grouper would apply regardless of where the fish are harvested (i.e., in state or federal waters). The Council’s intent is to have the interim rule effective by January 1, 2009. Letter from SAFMC Requesting Interim Rule
Elections
During its meeting, the Council elected Council member Duane Harris as its new chairman and David Cupka to serve as vice-chair. Mr. Harris, an obligatory member of the Council from St. Simons Island, Georgia, replaces George Geiger of Sebastian, Florida as Council Chair. Formally serving as vice-chair, Chairman Harris has a long history of service to the Council, initially serving as a representative of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources’ Coastal Resources Division and continuing his service after retiring as director of the division in 2003. Vice-Chairman Cupka also has a long history with the Council, serving as the South Carolina representative for the Department of Natural Resources’ Marine Resources Division before his retirement and currently serving in an at-large position.
The next meeting of the Council is scheduled for November 30-December 5, 2008 in Wilmington, North Carolina. For additional information regarding Council meetings, including briefing book materials, committee reports, and summary motions from the September 2008 meeting, visit www.safmc.net or contact the Council office.
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Interim rule will implement measures for gag, black grouper, and red grouper by early 2009
(New!: NOAA Fisheries Service FAQ now available on Amendment 16 and the interim rule)
The South Atlantic Fishery Management Council gave final approval to Amendment 16 to the Snapper Grouper Fishery Management Plan during its meeting in Charleston, South Carolina this past week. The amendment includes measures to end overfishing of gag grouper and vermilion snapper, including a 4-month spawning season closure for gag and shallow water grouper, reductions in bag limits, commercial quotas, and other measures. Approval of Amendment 16 was delayed during the Council’s June meeting when the Council agreed to consider additional management measures for analysis in the amendment. However, after considering the analysis of the additional options and receiving public comment as part of the week-long meeting, the Council moved forward to approve their original preferred management measures in Amendment 16. The vote was not unanimous, with Council members voting eight to five in favor of approval. Those Council members opposing approval of the amendment have declared they will file a minority report. The amendment will go through review by the National Marine Fisheries Service and receive approval by the Secretary of Commerce before management measures are implemented. It is estimated the review process will take several months.
The Council’s actions are driven by mandates from the Magnuson-Stevens Reauthorization Act that require fisheries managers to implement measures to end overfishing within a one-year period after overfishing has been identified. Both gag grouper and vermilion snapper stocks were identified as undergoing overfishing through the Southeast Data, Assessment, and Review (SEDAR) stock assessment process in June 2007. An age-based SEDAR stock assessment for vermilion snapper is currently underway and the results of the recent Assessment Workshop, part of the three-step stock assessment process, is indicating the stock status might be better than originally reported. The Review Workshop is scheduled for October 20-24, 2008 in Savannah, Georgia and is open to the public. Amendment 16 contains a provision that would allow adjustments to the reduction of vermilion snapper if necessary, based on the updated assessment. The final stock assessment results will be reviewed by the Scientific and Statistical Committee and the Council during the November 30 – December 5, 2008 meeting in Wilmington, North Carolina.
Measures in Amendment 16 to end overfishing for gag include: a spawning season closure January through April for both commercial and recreational fishermen for gag and other shallow water groupers including black grouper, red grouper scamp, red hind rock hind, yellowmouth grouper, tiger grouper, yellowfin grouper, graysby, and coney; a commercial quota for gag of 352,940 pounds gutted weight. After the quota is met, all purchase and sale of shallow water grouper would also be prohibited; reducing the 5-grouper aggregate bag limit to a 3-grouper aggregate bag limit and the existing bag limit from 2 gag or black grouper to 1 gag or black grouper; and excluding the captain and crew on for-hire vessels from possessing a bag limit for groupers. Additional measures for vermilion snapper, including commercial quotas, bag limits and a recreational closed season are likely to be modified following the stock assessment. The amendment also establishes interim allocations for both gag and vermilion snapper.
“These measures should end overfishing for gag and vermilion snapper,†said Council member Mac Currin, Chairman of the Snapper Grouper Committee. “Everyone is hopeful that the ongoing age-based assessment of vermilion snapper will allow the Council to reduce the measures impacting fishermen.â€
Interim Rule
In order to end overfishing for gag grouper, black grouper, and red grouper as required by the Magnuson Act, the Council approved an interim rule to implement reductions in fishing mortality as specified in Amendment 16. The Council's vote to approve the interim rule was also split, with 8 members in favor and five opposed. The interim rule includes the 4-month spawning season closure for gag, black grouper, and red grouper; the commercial quota for gag, with the harvest of black grouper and red grouper prohibited once the quota is met; and reductions in the recreational bag limit. Black grouper and red grouper are included in the interim rule because they are also experiencing overfishing and there is a bycatch of gag when black and red grouper are targeted. Earlier provisions to address overfishing for vermilion snapper and red snapper through the interim rule were removed and red snapper will be addressed by the Council during its November 30-December 5 meeting. An interim rule can only be used to address species undergoing overfishing and would be in effect for 180 days. The rule can be extended for an additional 186 days if necessary. Provisions of the interim rule with respect to federally permitted vessels for South Atlantic snapper grouper would apply regardless of where the fish are harvested (i.e., in state or federal waters). The Council’s intent is to have the interim rule effective by January 1, 2009. Letter from SAFMC Requesting Interim Rule
Elections
During its meeting, the Council elected Council member Duane Harris as its new chairman and David Cupka to serve as vice-chair. Mr. Harris, an obligatory member of the Council from St. Simons Island, Georgia, replaces George Geiger of Sebastian, Florida as Council Chair. Formally serving as vice-chair, Chairman Harris has a long history of service to the Council, initially serving as a representative of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources’ Coastal Resources Division and continuing his service after retiring as director of the division in 2003. Vice-Chairman Cupka also has a long history with the Council, serving as the South Carolina representative for the Department of Natural Resources’ Marine Resources Division before his retirement and currently serving in an at-large position.
The next meeting of the Council is scheduled for November 30-December 5, 2008 in Wilmington, North Carolina. For additional information regarding Council meetings, including briefing book materials, committee reports, and summary motions from the September 2008 meeting, visit www.safmc.net or contact the Council office.
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:19 pm
Agenda....
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:24 pm
More BULLSHIT for your viewing pleasure....
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:34 pm
5. Reduce the bag limit for red grouper to 3 fish within the existing 5 fish aggregate bag limit.
Now if I'm reading this correctly then you can still have 5 grouper as long as no more than 3 are reds and no more than 1 gag or am I reading something wrong.
Now if I'm reading this correctly then you can still have 5 grouper as long as no more than 3 are reds and no more than 1 gag or am I reading something wrong.
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:54 pm
| lunkerlure wrote: |
| 5. Reduce the bag limit for red grouper to 3 fish within the existing 5 fish aggregate bag limit.
Now if I'm reading this correctly then you can still have 5 grouper as long as no more than 3 are reds and no more than 1 gag or am I reading something wrong. |
Tommy
Your reading it wrong, 3 Fish Total per person 1 of them can be a Gag or Black.
I have been accused of pitting COMM vs RECS on this site so I quit chiming in on this subject on the many threads that have been posted.
These stupid ass rules they are implementing hurts everyone. And don't be fooled into thinking this is the last act, as the saying goes "You ain't seen nothing yet" Cause they are just getting started and it goes alot deeper than just Grouper / Snapper.
Alot of people will suffer though this closure, with the economy already in the shape it is in this will be nails in the coffin for alot of folks.
But hey like alot have said on here "IT IS WHAT IT IS" - just adjust and adapt - Go catch King Mackerel until it re-opens - doesn't affect me I only fish a couple of times a year and don't catch grouper anyway - etc. etc. etc.
The point is:
When these wannabee appointed politicians get finished making all these rules (that you don't have a say in what so ever) and they get it set up for the really big boys with the big boats, they will come to town and show you how to clean the clock of the allowable catch in a hurry.
And all you can do is sit back and watch the show. I am sick of bitching about this - So I'm going to just try not to hurt my back lifting those BAILOUT CHECKS that the government will be sending us fishermen in the near future.
Oh golly that's right we didn't get included on THAT PLAN.
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Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:38 pm
I agree with you Ricky. What's really going to hurt, in addition to the grouper closure, what do you think this is going to do to the king mackerel price? What about the extra pressure on the rest of our stocks, such as b-liners? Alot of folks are going to be hurt financially by this. If this ruling was based on sound data, I would be all for it, but at there meeting in Wrightsville Beach a year ago, the council ADMITTED that they're using bad data. Why can't they do an updated stock assessment like they're doing with the vermillion? I'm for sure not one to get involved in the rec/commercial argument, as I both charter fish and commercial fish, not just on a day boat, but on bandit boats a couple of trips a year. In my opinion, for what it's worth, we all need to band together. We've been fighting for so long amongst ourselves that we haven't been able to see what we really need to fight, and now it may be to late. I plan on going to the meetings in Wilmington next week to let these guys know in person how I feel. I urge everyone else to do so as well.
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Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:14 am
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:41 pm
Did Bush shoot this down last week or the week before? I saw that on Charleston fishing. com, Im sure thats what it said.
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:36 pm
LInk us to that thread...I have not heard anything about it...
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:12 pm
That has nothing to do with the closure. It concerns MPA's.
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Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:49 pm
I'll be heading to the meetings as well, but I think this is just the start of some really bad things to come. Spoke with the group in the Keys who were trying to get this reversed, they told me that the next step that is going to be proposed is a closure of all ground fish inside 40 nm in 2010.. sad day if and when that happens...Ken
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:27 am
WE need to be there at this time:
Informal Question and Answer Session - Monday, December 1, 2008 at 6:15 PM - join Council member Dr. Roy Crabtree, Regional Administrator with NOAA Fisheries (NMFS) and other Council members to discuss issues relative to fisheries management within the Council's area of jurisdiction.
I'll be there until they kick me out, bring your camera!
This is what i'm expecting (Watch video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
Don't tase me, bro!
Informal Question and Answer Session - Monday, December 1, 2008 at 6:15 PM - join Council member Dr. Roy Crabtree, Regional Administrator with NOAA Fisheries (NMFS) and other Council members to discuss issues relative to fisheries management within the Council's area of jurisdiction.
I'll be there until they kick me out, bring your camera!
This is what i'm expecting (Watch video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
Don't tase me, bro!
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:31 am
somebody please take a video of this.
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:39 pm
Well said Ricky! Wish I could be there Joe but I'm glad I can't!
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:23 pm
It'd be worth the trip just to see someone tell Joe that Gag's are too scarce to fish for and you don't see them as much anymore 
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Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:01 am
Where is the meeting to be held?
What is left to say except to call the dumb a$$ people on the council a dumb a$$ face to face. I don't think even that would make me feel better about the hundred grand plus I've spent in grouper fishing equipment etc... tha's been flushed down the drain by these idiots.
What's the real agenda, who's gettin the pay off, and who's doin the paying, green peace type groups or who, or are the council members just that ignorant of the species that they are being paid our tax dollars to manage?
What is left to say except to call the dumb a$$ people on the council a dumb a$$ face to face. I don't think even that would make me feel better about the hundred grand plus I've spent in grouper fishing equipment etc... tha's been flushed down the drain by these idiots.
What's the real agenda, who's gettin the pay off, and who's doin the paying, green peace type groups or who, or are the council members just that ignorant of the species that they are being paid our tax dollars to manage?
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Location: Cape Fear, NC
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:13 pm
This is TONIGHT @ 6:00!
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:20 pm
Count me in.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:25 pm
IF YOU DO NOT COME>>>>DO NOT COMPLAIN!
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:44 pm
I can't make it (hope I can still complain though ).
You guys that go, please post a report for us and give them hell!
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You guys that go, please post a report for us and give them hell!
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:15 pm
Unfortunately, I've had something come up at home and will not be able to make it. Give' em hell guys. It's eating me up not being able to go and give Mr. Crabtree a piece of my mind in person.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:05 pm
I declined to go..however I also do not really have a stake in my livelyhood being taken away, therefore I feel it's not my position to state either way. I can live with it for a few months. I do beleive the fishery can only benefit from a closure. It sucks!! because I love to go out and catch a few for the table. But the reality is, this decision has probaly been made and this meeting is just because they have to.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:26 pm
| Leviathan wrote: |
| I declined to go..however I also do not really have a stake in my livelyhood being taken away, therefore I feel it's not my position to state either way. I can live with it for a few months. I do beleive the fishery can only benefit from a closure. It sucks!! because I love to go out and catch a few for the table. But the reality is, this decision has probaly been made and this meeting is just because they have to.
Scott |
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:48 pm
Leviathan is entitled to his opinion. I share some of his stance. I just hope that it's good data they're using. As mean as it is, just because someone makes a living doing something doesn't mean it should be allowed to stay that way if it's not a sustainable profession. I don't see anybody delivering a block of ice to my front door nowadays.
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:04 pm
YES....Everyone is entilted to their Opinion and everyone should free to free to speak their case here without worry of getting beatup over it.
I think the fishermen would be behind alot of this stuff IF the science was there....but it's NOT and that is the problem.
The shy is falling...The sky is falling...The issue is the Sky is not falling. The Gag fishery is fine. The Beeliner fishery is fine. They are a bunch of Treehuggers that have made the system to their bidding. Part of their bidding is to STOP hurting the poor little'o'fish.
I am not talking about NOAA or SAFMC or any gov agency. It is the groups like PEW and PITA that are screwing us.
Just my .02
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I think the fishermen would be behind alot of this stuff IF the science was there....but it's NOT and that is the problem.
The shy is falling...The sky is falling...The issue is the Sky is not falling. The Gag fishery is fine. The Beeliner fishery is fine. They are a bunch of Treehuggers that have made the system to their bidding. Part of their bidding is to STOP hurting the poor little'o'fish.
I am not talking about NOAA or SAFMC or any gov agency. It is the groups like PEW and PITA that are screwing us.
Just my .02
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:11 pm
Dave
You and I stood there together - listened - spoke what was on our mind (with respect) and heard the answers given.
The answers to any real questions fell back to (2) things that they can easily hide behind.
1. Our most current data indicates that there is overfishing (Which we know is outdated, un-accurate, and did not come from your state. But it's what we got) (Their words not mine)
2. We have to do this clousure because the Manguson -Stevenson Act has been changed / and we only have 1 year to react instead of the 10 that was originally in place to do proper data collecting. (Again
their words not mine)
We don't really know so we will just close it down because we only have 1 year to do something and if it puts you out of work - SORRY.
Great ideas at work as we speak. TYPICAL GOVERMENT.
My favorite question tonight - How can we get these 2 things changed where it is done fairly with accurate information and ample time to collect data.
ANSWER - You need to write to your congressmen and local politicians that's not our department. Were the SAFMC we vote on how to control YOUR fisheries but we cant help make the laws (Manguson / Stevenson) that mandate the fisheries - that would make us lobbyist. (Their words not mine) Could be just me but but is something wrong with that picture???
Dave you made a great point on the homepage. ANYONE THAT BOTTOM FISHES SHOULD BE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
Doesn't matter if you go fishing twice a year with a buddy or five times a week in business, these new rules will directly affect you and is already in your pocket no matter what your status is - with plenty more GREAT RULES already on the table and soon on the way.
So kick back and enjoy the show. Don't worry big Center Consoles make great SKI BOATS and theirs always Tennis
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You and I stood there together - listened - spoke what was on our mind (with respect) and heard the answers given.
The answers to any real questions fell back to (2) things that they can easily hide behind.
1. Our most current data indicates that there is overfishing (Which we know is outdated, un-accurate, and did not come from your state. But it's what we got) (Their words not mine)
2. We have to do this clousure because the Manguson -Stevenson Act has been changed / and we only have 1 year to react instead of the 10 that was originally in place to do proper data collecting. (Again
their words not mine)
We don't really know so we will just close it down because we only have 1 year to do something and if it puts you out of work - SORRY.
Great ideas at work as we speak. TYPICAL GOVERMENT.
My favorite question tonight - How can we get these 2 things changed where it is done fairly with accurate information and ample time to collect data.
ANSWER - You need to write to your congressmen and local politicians that's not our department. Were the SAFMC we vote on how to control YOUR fisheries but we cant help make the laws (Manguson / Stevenson) that mandate the fisheries - that would make us lobbyist. (Their words not mine) Could be just me but but is something wrong with that picture???
Dave you made a great point on the homepage. ANYONE THAT BOTTOM FISHES SHOULD BE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
Doesn't matter if you go fishing twice a year with a buddy or five times a week in business, these new rules will directly affect you and is already in your pocket no matter what your status is - with plenty more GREAT RULES already on the table and soon on the way.
So kick back and enjoy the show. Don't worry big Center Consoles make great SKI BOATS and theirs always Tennis
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:22 pm
Thanks Big E,
But you dont know me, so dont place me in a group of finaticals trying to make their stamp on society. Poor data, no reality on the facts. We fish. We are there. They are not. I have only been fishing for 3 years down here, and if you asked me? the fish are there in good numbers. As for me being a SAFMC? Please explain how? provide some solid input as to why you would say that. I am sure everyone here would like to see some supporting words of wisdom to such a rediculous statement.
As for RE and Dave attending the meeting? I think it's great to have them there. As for me? I have strong distain for politicians and their BS. The decisions are made, they stated clearly it's poor data..it is what it is.
But you dont know me, so dont place me in a group of finaticals trying to make their stamp on society. Poor data, no reality on the facts. We fish. We are there. They are not. I have only been fishing for 3 years down here, and if you asked me? the fish are there in good numbers. As for me being a SAFMC? Please explain how? provide some solid input as to why you would say that. I am sure everyone here would like to see some supporting words of wisdom to such a rediculous statement.
As for RE and Dave attending the meeting? I think it's great to have them there. As for me? I have strong distain for politicians and their BS. The decisions are made, they stated clearly it's poor data..it is what it is.
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