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blackdiamond
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:51 am
I read the subject a few years back but never tried it. I got the hardware and going try this year. My question , how small of a buoy will work.
I know the larger the better the results. But stow space on my V-20 comes in play.

The farther I get from shore the smaller it gets.

BTW. BIG THANKS Dave for the site and your help keeping a PC. dinosaur online.
  
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:44 am
You don't need the ball to pull the anchor...it's used after the anchor is pulled and planing on top behind the boat.Let the ball slide down the rope to the anchor to keep it afloat when you slow down.Makes it much easier.If you are feeling strong,it's quicker to not use the ball and pull the anchor while it's planing on top.Anyway,the ball needs to be at least about 16" to keep a 20# anchor with 20' 3/8 chain floating.  
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blackdiamond
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:24 pm
Thanks Meals for the reply. I'm trying to find an alternative to pulling it by hand. Gravity sucks, older I get the heavier my hook is.
I undetdtand you can use the boat speed to plane the hook. My plan is to use the ball for short moves at low speed when I'm working along a bottom feature/ cracks / ledge.
My research found rule of thump is whatever it takes sizewise to float your hook & chain when boat is in neutral is what takes.
Youtube has several clips
  
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:37 pm
blackdiamond wrote:
Thanks Meals for the reply. I'm trying to find an alternative to pulling it by hand. Gravity sucks, older I get the heavier my hook is.
I undetdtand you can use the boat speed to plane the hook. My plan is to use the ball for short moves at low speed when I'm working along a bottom feature/ cracks / ledge.
My research found rule of thump is whatever it takes sizewise to float your hook & chain when boat is in neutral is what takes.
Youtube has several clips


That’s called “flying the anchor” and you don’t need the ball to do this. The ball is really only necessary when you need to retrieve the anchor.
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blackdiamond
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:04 pm
Thanks Vet. So if your only moving a few hundred feet you "fly the hook"??
I'm trying to foucus on my bottom machine while finding new areas and not overrun it. Not go to numbers
  
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MealOnReels
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:47 pm
Fly the anchor on any move.When you mark something good,flag it and come back to it on the right anchor coarse.Then stop the boat on the mark.You have to back down on the anchor so you don't go past the mark.  
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blackdiamond
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:02 am
Thanks guys for your input / guidance. I've been on the troll for years and now trying to dial in on bottom meat.
My crewman complained about pulling our hook the last few times out so I'm trying make his life easier.
Last question. Can you fly a danforth I see the comm grouper guys use plows.
  
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:23 am
Danforth is fine.You may think about a hi-tensil to do what you want to do .The shank on a regular danforth will bend.  
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blackdiamond
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:34 pm
Copy that. It's. Pretty bbeefy. Will find if it's strong enough on the test runs.

Different subjuect, anybody use a grapple type for wrecks or rock piles? I made some with pipe and rebar.
  
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rdnkvet
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:45 pm
blackdiamond wrote:
Thanks Vet. So if your only moving a few hundred feet you "fly the hook"??
I'm trying to foucus on my bottom machine while finding new areas and not overrun it. Not go to numbers


Yes, even if you want to move over 20’. I will start with it’s best to charter someone with a similar boat to yours or hire a captain to go with you on your boat to show you how to do this when this covid crap is over. I highly suggest Capt. Todd Skeen for a bottom fishing charter (Chumbucket on here).

Basically, you throw the hook at your first spot. Danforth style is fine, but rig it “breakaway” in case it hangs. Once you come tight, look at your compass and determine the direction your bow is pointed. This is your anchor course. When you’re ready to move come alongside your anchor rope and come on plane to lift anchor off bottom like you would to use anchor ball. At this point, most folks will have a short rope attached to stern cleat to hold anchor rope in place while flying to keep it from hitting you while running and keep it away from props/outboard. Drive in a wide circle (probably a few hundred yards) and approach your new location in a 180 degree direction OPPOSITE your anchor course. Once you are on this course, slow to 2-3 knots so anchor will ride a few feet off the bottom. As soon as you start to see the structure you are targeting on the sounder, shift to neutral and have someone immediately release the anchor rope from the stern and boat should swing around with your stern over the new spot. If you miss, just repeat process and make wider circle so you can get approach correct.
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rdnkvet
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blackdiamond wrote:
Thanks Vet. So if your only moving a few hundred feet you "fly the hook"??
I'm trying to foucus on my bottom machine while finding new areas and not overrun it. Not go to numbers


Yes, even if you want to move over 20’. I will start with it’s best to charter someone with a similar boat to yours or hire a captain to go with you on your boat to show you how to do this when this covid crap is over. I highly suggest Capt. Todd Skeen for a bottom fishing charter (Chumbucket on here).

Basically, you throw the hook at your first spot. Danforth style is fine, but rig it “breakaway” in case it hangs. Once you come tight, look at your compass and determine the direction your bow is pointed. This is your anchor course. When you’re ready to move come alongside your anchor rope and come on plane to lift anchor off bottom like you would to use anchor ball. At this point, most folks will have a short rope attached to stern cleat to hold anchor rope in place while flying to keep it from hitting you while running and keep it away from props/outboard. Drive in a wide circle (probably a few hundred yards) and approach your new location in a 180 degree direction OPPOSITE your anchor course. Once you are on this course, slow to 2-3 knots so anchor will ride a few feet off the bottom. As soon as you start to see the structure you are targeting on the sounder, shift to neutral and have someone immediately release the anchor rope from the stern and boat should swing around with your stern over the new spot. If you miss, just repeat process and make wider circle so you can get approach correct.
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blackdiamond
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:29 pm
Thanks guys for your help..
Hopefully the winds will stop blowing so I can put it to use. Usually we drift accoss the spots and I stay at the helm. If / when conditions allow I hope to get more lines in.
  
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Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:35 am
2 other things that I didn't see mentioned.

1. If you try to fly the anchor to a new spot using the anchor ball it is critical to not let the ball slide all the way to the anchor. If it does you will have to manually release it thus losing any advantage of getting on the perfect spot. Without the ball is way better until you want the anchor back aboard to run long distance.

2. When flying the anchor, you want a little extra scope out when you go to pick up to move. If you're short and it doesn't hook up right away, you're gonna have to start over or you'll be fishing in the shark filled, bait stealer desert. You can always shorten up if need be.
  
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