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>>>A COUNTRY THAT FORGETS ITS DEFENDERS WILL ITSELF BE FORGOTTEN<<<

>>> A GENERATION THAT GROWS UP HATING THEIR COUNTRY AND THE IDEALS THAT MADE IT GREAT BY THEIR FORE FATHERS WILL NOT DEFEND IT FROM FUTURE ENEMIES<<<

>>>>>>JUST THINK ABOUT IT<<<<<<<<<
  
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Yes sir......
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Its like y'all completely forget the 60's. Nevermind completely misunderstanding everything going on right now. Nobody is hating their country, they are wanting the country to be BETTER. Nobody is forgetting its defenders, they are explicitly NOT forgetting the military.

Nevermind that y'alls favored party keeps cutting veteran benefits, but somehow they are the ones that respect the troops? Get out of here. The President y'all are so enamored with talks s*&t about the military all the time.

Dang. I have such a hard time trying to figure out how y'all can perform the mental gymnastics that you do. Do you just listen to soundbites and not care about actual actions or what?
  
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Its like y'all completely forget the 60's. Nevermind completely misunderstanding everything going on right now. Nobody is hating their country, they are wanting the country to be BETTER. Nobody is forgetting its defenders, they are explicitly NOT forgetting the military.

Nevermind that y'alls favored party keeps cutting veteran benefits, but somehow they are the ones that respect the troops? Get out of here. The President y'all are so enamored with talks s*&t about the military all the time.

Dang. I have such a hard time trying to figure out how y'all can perform the mental gymnastics that you do. Do you just listen to soundbites and not care about actual actions or what?


I am a proud american and have had the opportunity to work in several different countries and have had the option to stay in those countries to work for much better pay. However, my home is here in the land of the free. I do however see this country going to hell in a hand basket because of stupid decisions by the former POTUS. there was never so many protest and rioting and people with such sensitive feelings until he was brought in to the situation. Im sorry you cant see that and i can see drawing you a picture want help either. You have your views and i have mine. So i want argue politics with you as it will lead nowhere. However, you continue to pursue that our troops are not being disrespected by the protesters who will not stand for the anthem. I asked in a previous post on that very topic for you to explain how not standing for the anthem and flag was not disrespectful for the ones who faught and died for that very flag to give them the right to protest freely. You got quiet and disappeared without answering. Doesent matter that they are not protesting the military. The sad fact is that whether they are protesting the military or not, they are still disrespecting them by not standing at attention for the ones who gave their lives (my grandfather-usmc, and my uncle-usmc, are just two of many) the ones currently fighting (my brother-usmc again, one of many) and those who will fight to give people the right to freely protest. I love this country but this country IS NOT the only reason i stand at attention for the flag. Its to honor those who died, and are fighting to defend it. So again ill ask you, how is not standing for the anthem and flag not just the same as pissing on the graves of those that fought to defend that very flag? There are other ways to protest something than to disrespect another group that is far from at fault at the same time. Single the problem out. Dont drag others in to the s*&t storm that dont deserve to be there.
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:42 pm
There are other ways to protest something than to disrespect another group that is far from at fault at the same time.

^ This...really hard for anyone to argue (sensibly) against this. Have your protest, but for damn sure don't disrespect those that fought to give you that right. The problem is, they don't care about that. They're to selfish to see it.
  
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:37 pm
Ought to be a mandatory rule to have either served 4 yrs in military , law enforcement , fire dept , have a legal picture ID , and have voted in at least
2 presidential elections before being eligiable to enter into professional sports ... hmph I know , I know wishful thoughts : roll roll
  
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:13 pm
Or, we could just have a minimum IQ required to have an internet connection.  
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Good one there. Never pretended to be the brightest bulb or sharpest tack in the box , unlike some on here , but rest assured you'll never hear me disrespect my country / its flag, or support any one , group / organization
that does !!!!! Its just me , agree or not don't matter; served 28 yrs to protect your right to do so but I don't have to support the disrespect.... duh
  
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:08 am
My comment was not directed at you personally, but rather at the general level of the discussion on several threads.  
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:43 am
Maybe the police should try a different approach, and play the national anthem instead of the siren, and when the suspect drops to one knee arrest them. Everybody wins,  
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:37 pm
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Or, we could just have a minimum IQ required to have an internet connection.


Let's also extend that to the ability to procreate.
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Ought to be a mandatory rule to have either served 4 yrs in military , law enforcement , fire dept , have a legal picture ID , and have voted in at least
2 presidential elections before being eligiable to enter into professional sports ... hmph I know , I know wishful thoughts : roll roll


I've always heard it is better to look ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:26 pm
Every once in a while, some threads on this web site just get a little strange. I am not even sure what this is still about any more!!! I figured out the original post (at least I thought that I did). Am I the only one confused by this???  
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seapro180 wrote:
wavescrash wrote:
Its like y'all completely forget the 60's. Nevermind completely misunderstanding everything going on right now. Nobody is hating their country, they are wanting the country to be BETTER. Nobody is forgetting its defenders, they are explicitly NOT forgetting the military.

Nevermind that y'alls favored party keeps cutting veteran benefits, but somehow they are the ones that respect the troops? Get out of here. The President y'all are so enamored with talks s*&t about the military all the time.

Dang. I have such a hard time trying to figure out how y'all can perform the mental gymnastics that you do. Do you just listen to soundbites and not care about actual actions or what?


I am a proud american and have had the opportunity to work in several different countries and have had the option to stay in those countries to work for much better pay. However, my home is here in the land of the free. I do however see this country going to hell in a hand basket because of stupid decisions by the former POTUS. there was never so many protest and rioting and people with such sensitive feelings until he was brought in to the situation. Im sorry you cant see that and i can see drawing you a picture want help either. You have your views and i have mine. So i want argue politics with you as it will lead nowhere. However, you continue to pursue that our troops are not being disrespected by the protesters who will not stand for the anthem. I asked in a previous post on that very topic for you to explain how not standing for the anthem and flag was not disrespectful for the ones who faught and died for that very flag to give them the right to protest freely. You got quiet and disappeared without answering. Doesent matter that they are not protesting the military. The sad fact is that whether they are protesting the military or not, they are still disrespecting them by not standing at attention for the ones who gave their lives (my grandfather-usmc, and my uncle-usmc, are just two of many) the ones currently fighting (my brother-usmc again, one of many) and those who will fight to give people the right to freely protest. I love this country but this country IS NOT the only reason i stand at attention for the flag. Its to honor those who died, and are fighting to defend it. So again ill ask you, how is not standing for the anthem and flag not just the same as pissing on the graves of those that fought to defend that very flag? There are other ways to protest something than to disrespect another group that is far from at fault at the same time. Single the problem out. Dont drag others in to the s*&t storm that dont deserve to be there.



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X2 for what Seapro said!!!  
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fishangel wrote:
Every once in a while, some threads on this web site just get a little strange. I am not even sure what this is still about any more!!! I figured out the original post (at least I thought that I did). Am I the only one confused by this???


Since you figured out the OP, the first quote was Calvin Coolidge. Who was the second?
I don't think either apply. The country has not forgotten its defenders, and we have not had a generation that hated their country, or refused to defend it from its enemies.
  
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:09 pm
glacierbaze wrote:
fishangel wrote:
Every once in a while, some threads on this web site just get a little strange. I am not even sure what this is still about any more!!! I figured out the original post (at least I thought that I did). Am I the only one confused by this???


Since you figured out the OP, the first quote was Calvin Coolidge. Who was the second?
I don't think either apply. The country has not forgotten its defenders, and we have not had a generation that hated their country, or refused to defend it from its enemies.


Partially correct. Lots of people left for Canada or were able to buy their way out of Nam.
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Well, while a very small percentage did avoid VN by any means possible, the great majority of that generation did not. And I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that we were defending the USA from its enemies in VN.  
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Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:25 pm
OK --in different words--- a country that abuses its defenders;ie VA appointments , deny their earned benefits , ect, ect ...


Do any of you honestly believe todays youth/young adults would respond the way/in numbers that our fore fathers /the greatest generation did in the past..I seriously doubt it, and pray we never have to find out!!!!

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Well, while a very small percentage did avoid VN by any means possible, the great majority of that generation did not. And I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that we were defending the USA from its enemies in VN.


I agree 110% the great majority did not avoid doing what was being asked of them. We were not defending THIS country. We had absolutely no business being there. But it seems we do that a lot.
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Pick a date in the past that you would like to roll back the calendar to.  
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Pick a date in the past that you would like to roll back the calendar to.


And?
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So many people seem nostalgic about the past, in terms of the attitude and work ethic of today's youth, the military, standard of living, etc. The whole MAGA crap that elected our current nightmare. Pick a year that we should strive to replicate, and let's compare the vital statistics.  
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Now I understand. If I had to pick a year I would say in the mid to late fifties (sorry I'm old going on 70), starting from I would say the mid 60's (64-65) things started to go down hill. It has just spiraled in that direction from there. Not saying that there were no note worthy accomplishments. It just seems that the world has gotten much more complex. Some of older folks look back at when everything was more simple. You brought up work ethic. The work ethic of the youth and older than youth of today is horrible. They think that everything is owed to them. I find that very disheartening. Forgetting the fact that I started working in my chosen industry "printing" (which is virtually no longer in existence) at the ripe old age of 15 with forged working papers. At that time when you wanted something you worked and paid for it. Even both of my sons (now 42 and 43) started working at a very young age. Mowing lawns and shoveling snow. It is just a different world today. I did not join the military out of some misguided sense of patriotism. Hell no! I joined so I would not get drafted. I wanted to be in control of my destiny. But after I got out I saw how much I had changed. I grew up. I was no longer the wild kid that I was before. I look back at it now and bless every day I was in. I got to see and experience things that few (other than my submarine brothers) ever have or will. You are right us old farts tend to get nostalgic. Because we can. We have experienced the past. Even with all it's flaws in some respects it was a lot better than today.
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History shows that when we don't act right God will take you to your knees before he will let you rise. Did you know that the Bible has America playing no part in end times but all other countries do. Think about it we have lost the moral high ground are deeply in Dept and it would be very hard to defend ourself against the two power houses that don't like us.
50% of people are stupid I have a liberal working for me and sometimes she says things that takes all day to get her to see the real truth. Like PR I had friends sitting on tarmac day before that thing hit waiting on the ok to fly in after the storm but know we are not helping fast enough then I ask these simple questions. How many days can you go without going to the grocery store? how much cash do you have on hand.
Then how can any government get help to you when the entire infrastructure has been wiped out and you can't even take care of yourself for a few days.
  
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I encourage everyone, particularly those of my generation who were not alive for Vietnam, to watch the Ken Burns documentary that aired on PBS last month. What struck me was how it's almost like we are re-living all our same mistakes. Needless wars, fought half-heartedly, with no real chance of "victory", a President who swept into office on promises of ending the insanity, only to end up furthering it, and intentionally misleading the American people on the true situation the entire time. A nation divided against itself, with one side questioning the others "patriotism", poor people sent to die at the whim of a priveleged class of decision makers, etc.....

I thought I knew the basic story, but after hearing the tapes of Nixon and Kissinger, and seeing the carnage and hearing the actual participants speak on it (VC, NVA, ARVN, and American), I'm more disgusted and fearful than ever about what our government is capable of.

To any of the men or women who served over there, or were subject to the abuse from the Anti-War protesters upon their return and may read this, I offer my deepest respect, but the ultimate respect we all owe you is for your sacrifices to have not been in vain. To repeat these same mistakes is the ultimate disgrace.
  
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2 On the pick a date discussion.... As an absolute history entheusist and avid student of history I can honestly tell you that we are better off (standards of living, disposable income etc, oppertunities) than ever before. Do we have issues now? Yep... But we now live in a global economy, a global world and our lives are never going back to the same way we all reminese on. We all tend to live in a Micro mindest where we only see in 10 year spans. Think REALLY long terms and you will see that we are (as a whole) less violent, more accepting and generally better off now. Heck, we used to think the earth was flat. We thought blacks had smaller brains. We burned witches at the stake. We thought a winged apparatus would never slip the bounds of gravity. We never thought a human being would land on the moon. We never dreamed of the internet or a computer. 4 stroke on a boat???? Insanity!!!! I implore all of you to step out of your own mindset and world and just look at what has been accomplished and how many times your own parents reflected on how much better times were when they were a kid.... how much simpler life was for them. Now look at what they had.... Everything is simpler when you have nothing but your own thoughts and conversation to entertain you. Ok.... I'm off my soap box... I too remember my childhood with fondness but fact is, I knew no better. I didn't understand anything which made it very easy to be living in bliss.
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